…and then they came for the trans* people.

Operation Zeus in August last year marked the start of an ugly reminder of a European past that we thought we had long buried.  Nearly 60 years after the end of the Second European War, migrants were round up from the streets of Greece and shoved unceremoniously into internment camps.  In May, women working in the sex industry were pulled from the streets, forcibly tested for HIV, publicly humiliated and imprisoned.  In March, they rounded up drug users from the streets of Athens and put them too into camps.  Last month in Thessaloniki they came for trans gender people.

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On the 30th of May, the Greek authorities stepped up their cleansing of the streets of the undesirables.  The daily checks of papers, papers, papers whenever someone non-white encounters a police officer sees numerous migrants hauled to police stations, and many imprisoned in one of the hellholes that pass for the detention camps of Greece.  In April alone 10, 000 people were stopped in these checks, and there are currently 5, 000 languishing in the official camps with an unknown number in temporary facilities such as police cells and shipping containers.  Last month Dendias announced a doubling of the capacity of these camps, although with no commitment to closing the alternative facilities.

Greek citizens, drugs users, homeless people and women working in the sex industry, have also been targeted under these sweeps where they are hauled to police stations, forcibly tested for HIV and in some cases imprisoned among with the migrants in the internment camps.  As the graffiti is cleaned off the shop facades in anticipation of the summer tourist influx, the streets are being cleansed of undesirables.

On the 30th of May, a new group of undesirables was identified.  Trans gender people. For the last week, daily raids have been taking place in Thessaloniki, Greece’s second largest city.  Under the pretense that of checking that the person is not involved in the sex industry trans people are being rounding up and arrested.  Their details are taken and they are detained for several hours.  On release they are warned that if they did not “return to normal” they would be arrested for public indecency.

This is not the first time that trans people have been targeted in Greece, in August last year, 25 trans women were arrested and force to undergo HIV testing and charged with prostitution offenses, in April, finally, the last of this group was acquitted.  This is however a new and sustained campaign against trans people, some of whom were stopped driving their cars and accused of sexual impropriety.

In May, the official broadcast to publicise Athens Pride was banned as it included a lesbian kiss, while in Thessaloniki, the  Metropolitan of the Greek Orthodox Church described Pride as an “unholy and unnatural event”, urging citizens not to take their children and indicating that he would like to see the event shut down.  At the end of last year gay men were repeated assaulted by member of the Golden Dawn, sometimes armed with knifes, in the wake of the violent and vicious rabble that saw the opening of the play “Corpus Christi” besieged by Nazis.  One MP from the fascist Golden Dawn attacked a journalist, punching him in the face and screeching after him as he escaped “You run away you faggot, you ass-muncher“, while the police silently watched.

This new escalation follows a familiar pattern of harassment, false imprisonment, detention, and arrests.  The experiences of migrants, drug users and women in the sex industry are all testimony to the deliberate targeting of marginalised groupings.   The pink triangle isn’t just a cool emblem, but a reminder that we’ve seen it all before.  We said never again – only it IS happening again….and one-by-one the people who may have spoken up disappear.

Update on the Situation of the Trans women of Thessaloniki

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guest3346
guest3346

It would be great if the gays and lesbians were rounded up as well, after all they think of themselves as unstoppable at forcing their own illicit lifestyles on Christians and straights, this should happen in America as drugs AND the ones giving it to children are at an all time high, and as Alicat12 said round up the sex users as well the politicians the police and the judges who also use the prostitutes then maybe things will change for the good.

ColettaHughes
ColettaHughes

I say to you as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow... Those of you who would do harm to another because you disagree with them or their lifestyle are playing God. Jesus said "shake the dust from your sandals", not burn their village to the ground while cursing their tears. Take the 2 x 4 out of your own eye so that you may better see to remove your brothers splinter. To those who can not forgive with hearts that burn with hate. What is it that you are doing to see the kingdom of God? Have you fed the sick? When was the last time you took in a widow? Do you put a coin in the hand of the drunken beggar or do you curse them with your rath? Read the bible... Jesus didn't seek to hang out with the clean and wealthy.... He chose those you hate. Let those of you without sin cast the first stone.


Blessings and love to all of you. Regardless of how much you hate me just for being a transsexual, a beggar, a hooker, or anything you just can't bare to look at without busting your tiny and special bubble.  

DarrenGregory
DarrenGregory

This just came my way today: Is this still happening in Greece?  Or, not?  If it is: we have some work to do!  Enough is enough!

DarrenGregory
DarrenGregory

There are some people missing who God is: I'm not entering this debate: but, the spiritual abuse suffered to make anyone believe that God stands for purity as dictated by man?  I'm sorry: this is mental illness at it's highest level of psychopathy!

ElisabethLiora
ElisabethLiora

God's cleansing will reign supreme. You are either with God, or against Him.  You are either a child of God or a child of the devil.  It is YOUR choice.  The consequences will depend on said choice.  I side with God.  Righteousness.  And Purity.

cogdisastrA
cogdisastrA

Kosmogrrrl Baronesa1980 This is making my blood boil OMG.

NitaEll
NitaEll

God's cleansing will reign supreme. You are either with God, or against Him.  You are either a child of God or a child of the devil.  It is YOUR choice.  The consequences will depend on said choice.  I side with God.  Righteousness.  And Purity. 

NitaEll
NitaEll

God's cleansing will reign supreme. You are either with God, or against Him.  You are either a child of God or a child of the devil.  It is YOUR choice.  The consequences will depend on said choice.  I side with God.  Righteousness.  And Purity.

backwards
backwards

Hey! 

When a person if they are living a private life that does not hurt people and you know what I mean when we say this, does nothing wrong. 

"We know there are many issues that do not need as much attention" but "Just to avoid the real problems it becomes even more apocolyptic in nature". 

Am not a writer of a novel or a Oscar winner for being best movie star of the year but you know what I do unserstand your freedom to live whatever is a normal life is to a person who does this by their own free will are at risk. Am not refering to oh let me give away a free "gas" car every now and then to people. This is ridicoulus hard to get it into my mind that those do not see anything wrong with that. Am amazed at those kind of thinking and behaviour. Anyways. Just to mention this while we are talking about what!

When people who have all money and elected power continues to get in vehicles of mass destruction everytime they need to get around is harming all walks of life knowingly.

Where all is affected by people doing this activity. Oh I guess it's so big of a can of worms, you or another will say twidle thumbs and give a blank stare at the wall, sky and in the eyes... 

So what is the penalty for breaking the protocols of nature as in destroying its fabric?

backwards
backwards

Hey!  When a person if they are living a private life that does not hurt people and you know what I mean when we say this, does nothing wrong.  "We know there are many issues that do not need as much attention" but "Just to avoid the real problems it becomes even more apocolyptic in nature".  Am not a writer of a novel or a Oscar winner for being best movie star of the year but you know what I do unserstand your freedom to live whatever is a normal life is to a person who does this by their own free will are at risk. Am not refering to oh let me give away a free "gas" car every now and then to people. This is ridicoulus hard to get it into my mind that those do not see anything wrong with that. Am amazed at those kind of thinking and behaviour. Anyways. Just to mention this while we are talking about what! When people who have all money and elected power continues to get in vehicles of mass destruction everytime they need to get around is harming all walks of life knowingly. Where all is affected by people doing this activity. Oh I guess it's so big of a can of worms, you or another will say twidle thumbs and give a blank stare at the wall, sky and in the eyes...  So what is the penalty for breaking the protocols of nature as in destroying its fabric?

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

Based on a number of comments that make references to our ancient forefathers kindly take the following under advisement. 

Please do not talk about our glorious ancestors like you know a single thing about them. You do not know their beliefs of human rights, their value system , their sexual preferences. their political beliefs, their culture and some documentaries and a couple of articles here and there most certainly do not give you the right to spew opinion over a 10.000yr old people. 

It is true that homosexuality was not at the forefront and as such was not reason enough for a which hunt to be performed against homosexuals at the time only because sexuality and sexual preference was never the main focus point of any person's life. They did not spend hald their life writing ,discussing ,commenting ,debating and philosophizing on gender and cross gender and sexual preferences. They preferred important matters such as geopolitics, the nature of humans , psychology, physics, biology, history, ethics, law etc. But not who screws who and why.
Of course heavy penalties did exist that in sometimes reached the extend of death penalties for homosexual acts (usually in public). Please do not confuse the discussion of male beauty by other men with open homosexual behavior. It was considered discussion about the art of nature and the science of beauty. Now if the person discussing this matter then took the subject of his attention to a bedroom and had relations with him this was a matter completely up to the two of them and they would then not go into the streets protesting their right to do what they had just finished doing. That little protest would mean banishment or death. 
Greeks were nationalist , far more than the Nazi's who "borrowed" our Swastika and dug half around the Mediterranean trying to prove that we were related. They were racists in the pure form of the term. They believed that there are differences between races and cultures something that should be historically documented to track changes.  They called EEEEEEveryone a barbarian but thought worst of Greeks behaving like barbarians. 

We were and still are a warlike people. Socrates, Plato , Aristotle all fought in wars. All carried battle scars. They gave oaths requiring their young men to return to their children better states with expanded borders. They allowed defeated foes (mostly other Greeks) to be enslaved.  
They pitied barbarians and did not fight wars to "educate" them. If they were educated it happened because they came into contact with the most advanced civilization on the planet. 

Please Leave our glorious ancestors to rest and talk all you want about Greece today even though you know NOTHING about it either despite the 250+ comments. You mix geography with ideology , religion , law and stupid quotes without having the simplest iota of comprehension of any of those matters. Most of you are so focused on your sexuality, becoming "accepted" for who you sleep with at night, that you neglect the truly important things in life. This is why our ancient fathers DID NOT focus on homosexuals for the plain reason that it was not an important subject to begin with. 

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

Based on a number of comments that make references to our ancient forefathers kindly take the following under advisement.  Please do not talk about our glorious ancestors like you know a single thing about them. You do not know their beliefs of human rights, their value system , their sexual preferences. their political beliefs, their culture and some documentaries and a couple of articles here and there most certainly do not give you the right to spew opinion over a 10.000yr old people.  It is true that homosexuality was not at the forefront and as such was not reason enough for a which hunt to be performed against homosexuals at the time only because sexuality and sexual preference was never the main focus point of any person's life. They did not spend hald their life writing ,discussing ,commenting ,debating and philosophizing on gender and cross gender and sexual preferences. They preferred important matters such as geopolitics, the nature of humans , psychology, physics, biology, history, ethics, law etc. But not who screws who and why. Of course heavy penalties did exist that in sometimes reached the extend of death penalties for homosexual acts (usually in public). Please do not confuse the discussion of male beauty by other men with open homosexual behavior. It was considered discussion about the art of nature and the science of beauty. Now if the person discussing this matter then took the subject of his attention to a bedroom and had relations with him this was a matter completely up to the two of them and they would then not go into the streets protesting their right to do what they had just finished doing. That little protest would mean banishment or death.  Greeks were nationalist , far more than the Nazi's who "borrowed" our Swastika and dug half around the Mediterranean trying to prove that we were related. They were racists in the pure form of the term. They believed that there are differences between races and cultures something that should be historically documented to track changes.  They called EEEEEEveryone a barbarian but thought worst of Greeks behaving like barbarians.  We were and still are a warlike people. Socrates, Plato , Aristotle all fought in wars. All carried battle scars. They gave oaths requiring their young men to return to their children better states with expanded borders. They allowed defeated foes (mostly other Greeks) to be enslaved.   They pitied barbarians and did not fight wars to "educate" them. If they were educated it happened because they came into contact with the most advanced civilization on the planet.  Please Leave our glorious ancestors to rest and talk all you want about Greece today even though you know NOTHING about it either despite the 250+ comments. You mix geography with ideology , religion , law and stupid quotes without having the simplest iota of comprehension of any of those matters. Most of you are so focused on your sexuality, becoming "accepted" for who you sleep with at night, that you neglect the truly important things in life. This is why our ancient fathers DID NOT focus on homosexuals for the plain reason that it was not an important subject to begin with.

bakersman345
bakersman345

What is the big deal. You people dont think that rounding up hookers and drug addicts is a good thing. Sometimes people need to be the bad guys for the good of the state. For the future to be a better place people must u derstand and be willing to sacrifice individual freedoms for the good of the state/future

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

@ColettaHughes  eeeerm. Lady i know that perhaps you are quoting (or misquoting since the bible has been poorly translated) parts that seem to fit your ideal perception of the world but allow me though not very religious to use the bible in reverse. 


Was it not Jesus who saidRender to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. In other words follow both the laws of man and God. 


Therefore if someone trespasses into my land and for example my LAW says he is to be taken to a detention camp then he should know that as i good Christian which is what you are requesting us to be i will follow the law of man and imprison him. 


Do not confuse religion into matters that have little relevance with it especially when Religion itself contradicts the manner with which you are trying to manipulate its teachings. 


Note: We do not beat, arrest, harass transexuals for walking in the street. This according to your own saying would be quite unchristian. But if the law says that a transexual (just like heterosexual) prostitute needs to be medically examined he or she would need to obey the law of man and present him/herself to the medical examiners without the police having to go through the trouble of tracking them down and bringing them forcefully. 


The greatest "invention" of my forefathers was logic. I kindly request you utilize that when you read my comment. 

shekissesfrogs
shekissesfrogs

Hey, Ms. Self Righteous @ElisabethLiora, do you  know the commandment about not taking God's name in vain? yeah, that one. It's been poorly translated but no one thinks about what it means, in fact most of the bible just shuts people's brains off. 


It means this: Don't be so vain as to think you know what God's plan is, or what His or Her side is ..yeah, I said Her. When the bible talks about Trees in the Temple that is who they are referring to.  She was censored out of the bible. The Queen of Heaven. You can be on God's side, or Jesus' side. He's not on your side, you arrogant jerk.  He didn't pick on prostitutes, or learned who women who didn't adhere to backward traditions. That was revived too, by Timothy. So what are you doing speaking in public if you are on the side of the old testament? Pick a side. 

minniemouse2014
minniemouse2014

@ElisabethLiora  lady, are you for real?  The Taliban who killed and tortured thousands of people would share your sentiments!!  All of us human beings are a mix of good and evil. No one is absolutely pure or absolutely evil. But if I were to define the difference between good and evil it is this: good is a force for uniting people, for tolerance and transcending differences, and evil is a force that divides people, and encourages discrimination.  We are at a crossroads where we can either choose discrimination, hate and war or unity, tolerance, and peace.  If Jesus were here today I would lay all the money I have on which path that He would choose!


Kosmogrrrl
Kosmogrrrl

cogdisastrA Baronesa1980 (I should note that trans activists were heavily involved in EU sending people - think Natasha Kennedy did lots)

Kosmogrrrl
Kosmogrrrl

cogdisastrA Baronesa1980 I just wonder though - the compulsory HIV testing, the telling to detransition - how many TERFs wld be in favour?

Kosmogrrrl
Kosmogrrrl

cogdisastrA Baronesa1980 It stopped after EU sent a delegation. Camps didn't, but crackdown on Golden Dawn happened few months after.

Annamaria
Annamaria

@NitaEll This is not a cleansing by God. This is just hateful people hurting other people, because they are angry and scared. It is a CHOICE to hurt people, don't dirty God's name by blaming him for their actions.

Normal guy
Normal guy

@NitaEll I don´t like to choose between two made up things! I don´t believe in fairy tales or in God or the Devil.
So why don´t you kill yourself and let other people be...! 

jess90069
jess90069

@NitaEll @NitaEli your comments are IGNORANT  "God's cleansing will reign supreme. You are either with God, or against Him.  You are either a child of God or a child of the devil.  It is YOUR choice.  The consequences will depend on said choice.  I side with God.  Righteousness.  And Purity.  I do not know what "religion" you practice, but you are severely IGNORANT.  No Where in the Old Testament or New is they anything about "God's cleansing".  You are apparently a NAZI!  I sincerely hope you find yourself with a GLBT child, sibling, or other close person in your life and you have to eat your words.  I suspect you CLAIM to be a Christian, and trust me, YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN.  You are a most repugnant person.  If you do not like GLBT people that is fine, because I am sure they do not like you either.  You are MEAN, HATEFUL, AND IGNORANT.  You are severely ill-informed. If you go to a Christian Church, you need to find a new one, because they are teaching HATE,  God is all about LOVE. Compassion. and Understanding. NOT HATE!     

Annamaria
Annamaria

NitaEll This is not a cleansing by God. This is just hateful people hurting other people, because they are angry and scared. It is a CHOICE to hurt people, don't dirty God's name by blaming him for their actions.

Normal guy
Normal guy

NitaEll I don´t like to choose between two made up things! I don´t believe in fairy tales or in God or the Devil. So why don´t you kill yourself and let other people be...!

jess90069
jess90069

NitaEll @NitaEli your comments are IGNORANT  "God's cleansing will reign supreme. You are either with God, or against Him.  You are either a child of God or a child of the devil.  It is YOUR choice.  The consequences will depend on said choice.  I side with God.  Righteousness.  And Purity.  I do not know what "religion" you practice, but you are severely IGNORANT.  No Where in the Old Testament or New is they anything about "God's cleansing".  You are apparently a NAZI!  I sincerely hope you find yourself with a GLBT child, sibling, or other close person in your life and you have to eat your words.  I suspect you CLAIM to be a Christian, and trust me, YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN.  You are a most repugnant person.  If you do not like GLBT people that is fine, because I am sure they do not like you either.  You are MEAN, HATEFUL, AND IGNORANT.  You are severely ill-informed. If you go to a Christian Church, you need to find a new one, because they are teaching HATE,  God is all about LOVE. Compassion. and Understanding. NOT HATE!

JohnKavanagh
JohnKavanagh

@A_Manifesto I feel strongly compelled to write to you in condemnation of much of what you have said-  The issue, though, is that I cannot for the life of me get my head round what you are ranting about.

StantonFink
StantonFink

@A_Manifesto If you want Modern Greece's legacy to be that of a photocopy of Nazi Germany that has a stingy government that treats its own citizens like garbage, and does absolutely nothing to help its citizens beyond distracting them by rounding up "undesirables" to be shipped off to concentration camps, please be my guest.

StantonFink
StantonFink

A_Manifesto If you want Modern Greece's legacy to be that of a photocopy of Nazi Germany that has a stingy government that treats its own citizens like garbage, and does absolutely nothing to help its citizens beyond distracting them by rounding up "undesirables" to be shipped off to concentration camps, please be my guest.

Alicat12
Alicat12

@bakersman345 If they're going to lock up sex workers then they should also lock up the people that use their services which would no doubt include politicians, police, lawyers and judges.

Annamaria
Annamaria

@bakersman345 These people aren't "bad guys"; the world isn't so black and white. They are real people, like you or I. Show some sympathy.

StantonFink
StantonFink

@bakersman345 Except that targeting groups designated as "undesirables" does absolutely nothing to address the actual problems plaguing a country, other than to distract people from said problems.  In Nazi Germany, rounding up all of the undesirables did nothing to help solve corruption or even win World War II.
And having said that, would you, yourself, be willing to sacrifice your own individual freedoms for the good of the state and future by being kidnapped by the government and taken to a government compound to be tortured, starved, beaten, brainwashed and or murdered because you are labelled as "undesirable"?  If you're not, then you're a cowardly hypocrite.

ColettaHughes
ColettaHughes

@bakersman345 What's the big deal Bakersman345?? Well here are a few famous quotes that may help to enlighten you about essential liberties. 

"First they came …” is a famous statement and provocative poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the sloth of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.  

Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.  

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.  

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.  

Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.  

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."


"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin February 17, 1775"


"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana 16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain"

Any questions?

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

@JohnKavanagh @A_ManifestoYou condemn without understanding. What could you possibly condemn then if not your own ignorance.

My "rant" in summary disputes any false reference to my ancient ancestors. If you do not understand something i highly recommend that you ask so i can explain and then you may, as is your right, condemn to your heart's desire. 

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

@StantonFink @A_ManifestoMmm.. Not a big fan of history are we? Please. Books dont end at classical times. They go all the way to 2 seconds ago. Anyone who knows anything about history knows that Hitler didnt take power by oppressing his people and forcing himself onto them. 


Also i cannot be your guest in my own country now can i and it is neither your nor merely my decision whether some people will be getting the sharp end of the stick. Greece is a republic (for now) and as such it is up to the majority to rule that. 

If the majority decides that it will prosecute people for being purple or walking backwards then this is just something the rest of the planet will just have to live with as they do not really have a say in it. 

PS: What i wrote in the message you replied has nothing to do with your actual reply. I just do not like people spewing inaccuracies. At least not about my forefathers. 


A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

StantonFink A_ManifestoMmm.. Not a big fan of history are we? Please. Books dont end at classical times. They go all the way to 2 seconds ago. Anyone who knows anything about history knows that Hitler didnt take power by oppressing his people and forcing himself onto them.  Also i cannot be your guest in my own country now can i and it is neither your nor merely my decision whether some people will be getting the sharp end of the stick. Greece is a republic (for now) and as such it is up to the majority to rule that.  If the majority decides that it will prosecute people for being purple or walking backwards then this is just something the rest of the planet will just have to live with as they do not really have a say in it.  PS: What i wrote in the message you replied has nothing to do with your actual reply. I just do not like people spewing inaccuracies. At least not about my forefathers.

bakersman345
bakersman345

Well world war 2 wasnt being fought to stop them from killing jews. It was a sperate thing. Secondly the jews were to put to work in road building, laying train tracks, maufacturing. If anything it extended germanys life in the war. Your right though picking up whores amd texting them for fatal diseases is so wrong. They should have just executed them on the spot. If a country finds a group undesirable the group should leave or cease its activity. Being from the usa I find all races/religions acceptable but some groups of people should be put to wprk or put down. If I am in that group if it helps restore the country then so be it...

minniemouse2014
minniemouse2014

@ColettaHughes @bakersman345  Yes it's very important that we remember the past and more than that, don't make the same mistakes again. It's significant that this is the 100th anniversary of world war 1. And I'm getting really concerned about that state of things in Europe.  

jess90069
jess90069

@ColettaHughes @bakersman345 MANKIND must learn to live with one another and live with people's difference. If one does not like _________________ [fill in the blank with everything you hate]  then do not go around those persons. I have very hot news for you however, YOU are not a perfect human being!

bakersman345
bakersman345

Your quotes do nothing. The question I asked was retorical. A quote does nothing but make you feel smart you self righteous douche.

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

@StantonFink @A_Manifesto Alas the only people that could forgive your lack of historical acumen are all dead by now. As for myself i cannot keep a grudge for your lack of comprehension of the status quo of homosexuals in the ancient times. Judging by your comments , as aforementioned, history is not your strong suit it would seem. 

BUT

If you are a citizen of a state you are (like Socrates did ,, you should look that up its fascinating) obliged to abide by its rules. If the state said you cannot for example mate with your beloved k9 you could:

1) Leave the dog alone
2) Move to a state that allowed it 
3) Break the rules and accept the consequences. 

Therefore,, They were not treated like trash with legs. They were treated like responsible citizens. This is something i am sure you can fathom. 

StantonFink
StantonFink

@A_Manifesto Forgive me for assuming that the Ancient Greeks were not a bunch of murderous homophobic bigots who treated their citizens like human beings and not like trash with legs.  My apologies.

A_Manifesto
A_Manifesto

StantonFink A_Manifesto Alas the only people that could forgive your lack of historical acumen are all dead by now. As for myself i cannot keep a grudge for your lack of comprehension of the status quo of homosexuals in the ancient times. Judging by your comments , as aforementioned, history is not your strong suit it would seem.  BUT If you are a citizen of a state you are (like Socrates did ,, you should look that up its fascinating) obliged to abide by its rules. If the state said you cannot for example mate with your beloved k9 you could: 1) Leave the dog alone 2) Move to a state that allowed it  3) Break the rules and accept the consequences.  Therefore,, They were not treated like trash with legs. They were treated like responsible citizens. This is something i am sure you can fathom.

StantonFink
StantonFink

A_Manifesto Forgive me for assuming that the Ancient Greeks were not a bunch of murderous homophobic bigots who treated their citizens like human beings and not like trash with legs.  My apologies.

ColettaHughes
ColettaHughes

@bakersman345Baker, you make me feel disgusted that I'm even from the same country as you. You say "the jews were to put to work in road building, laying train tracks, manufacturing  If anything it extended germanys life in the war" Like as if they were finally working honest jobs. And for your information the 6 million Jews was a huge factor in the war. Jews from many countries were murdered in WWII. Trust me being a transsexual I know your inbred kind quite well from personal experiences here in the U.S. But thank God it's becoming much more illegal to be a monster like you. I'm guessing you would have rather of killed the slaves in the south than release them!? Don't freaken hold back, tell everyone what a lowlife uneducated POS monster you are. I wanted to vomit after reading your fear based hate. You are the absolute epitome of a self righteous misogynist fucktard imbecile pig from hell. PHEW!!... I really hate using those sorta metaphors and language. But I figured your very dimly lit inbred mind could only grasp the simplest of communication options. However I do hope you one day find some inner peace, even if you're subhuman monster. 

ColettaHughes
ColettaHughes

@bakersman345 Baker, you make me feel disgusted that I've even from the same country as you. You say "the jews were to put to work in road building, laying train tracks, manufacturing  If anything it extended germanys life in the war" Like as if they were finally working honest jobs. And for your information the 6 million Jews was a huge factor in the war. Jews from many countries were murdered in WWII. Trust me being a transsexual I know your inbred kind well from experiences here in the US. But thank God it's become illegal to be a monster like you. I'm guessing you would have rather of killed the slaves in the south than release. Don't hold back tell everyone what a POS uneducated monster you are. I want to vomit after reading your fear based hate. You are the epitome of a fucktard self righteous misogynist pig from hell. Phew... I really hate using that sorta language. But I figured your very dim inbred mind could only grasp filth. I hope you one day find peace even if you're subhuman monster. 

StantonFink
StantonFink

@ColettaHughes Perhaps Bakerboy would like to move to a country with lots of nationalistic fervor, and treats its citizens like crap for the alleged betterment of the nation?  Like, say, North Korea?

ColettaHughes
ColettaHughes

@bakersman345 Well well lil Bakerboy345, To use foul language in a simple and misspelled one liner, especially when it was not use with you to start only shows your contempt and lack of scholastic or spiritual ability. Do you have a backbone or is your blind rant merrily passed down from waning father to son? Oh and for future reference you'll find the word retorical is spelled rhetorical. I'm in no way self righteous, I was a dropout who never finished the 6th grade due family dysfunction. The difference between you and me is I have the capacity to learn that you acutely lack. I pity you with your blind haughtiness. May you one day pick up a book and learn about at least the simple history all around you. Peace. 

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